If Hawkeye loses he will NEVER hear the end of it from his wife.

Being that Mockingbird has her sonic scream and Hawkeye can attack from distance I will go with them too.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

Yeah, DD and BW are more lone fighters than team work fighters. Plus, Widow has a knack for bringing up something that happened in the past whenever she meets DD.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask... WHAT??? Are you sure??? Since when???

Sorry I was thinking of Songbird my bad. I still stick with my first call though. If you are going to team with your wife, never lose because it will be your fault for the next 20 years.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

I'm also going with Hawkeye and wife. They would definitely have the teamwork edge over a pairing like DD and Black Widow. Much less dysfunctional.


-S

I've missed a few battles, eh?

Well, to recap, I would have said: Cyclops & Marvel Girl over Colossus & Kitty Pryde. Then, the Marvels would kick Firestorm & Power Girl's booties all over town. To finish it up (and as much as I'd hate to say it), Hawkeye & Mockingbird would beat DD & Black Widow.

1. Cyclops & Marvel Girl have always been there for each other (until recent storytelling). They've always been the "perfect" couple/team in Marvel comics. Not to mention they'd just overwhelm the hell out of Colossus & Kitty Pryde with firepower.

2. The Marvels are two of the most powerful beings in the DC Universe. Not only that, but they're powered by magic. They're a family... again, always there for each other. The marvels have always been a supportive family, as opposed to a relationship I've never even heard of (ala Power Girl & Firestorm - when'd that happen?). I can see Power Girl and Firestorm fighting over who's more powerful during their battle.

3. DD & Black Widow, who have a sorted past, might question each other's loyalty along the way. They're both well-versed in hand-to-hand combat/martial arts, but Mockingbird will keep that team underwraps. She puts her team over the edge and they win, based on power alone. Everyone else is just a glorified fighter/marksman.

Hawkeye & Mockingbird move on... Rond 2 begins...

Hawkman & Hawkgirl vs Mister Miracle & Big Barda

I'm gonna go with Mr. Miracle and Big Barda. They beat Superboy and Wondergirl, and I'm not sure the Hawk people could do that, much less take out Big Barda and hubby.


-S

Agreed.

No contest, Barda and Mister Miracle hands down.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

I'd have to agree, Mr. Miracle and Big Barda.

Though I don't WANT them to win, because I like the Hawk People... Mr. Miracle and Big Barda win by sheer power alone; not to mention they're married. =X

Mister Miracle & Big Barda move to the DC Finals...

Cloak & Dagger vs Cyclops & Marvel Girl

The X-Men win.

I am going to go against the grain on this one as well and go with Cloak & Dagger. Years of being together I think will be no match for the fear that is generated from being enveloped in Cloak's darkness.

1. Cloak's mind numbing fear would render Marvel Girl catatonic as she would be overcome with the loss of being completely shutoff from Scott's mind.

2. Dagger would cause Scott to have a heart attack as he was in the darkness as well when he is hit by her daggers. Since Cyclop's shoots a force beam it wouldn't have anything to push against in the darkness.
Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

I'm going with the X-people on this one. Marvel Girl = power of the phoenix = greatest power on Earth. Hands down, she wins it alone, even if Cyclops dies. Cyclops isn't a wimp, either. His optic blast is also very powerful, but once they've taken his visor out of business... he'll be left in the dark, unless he wanted to destroy everything. Marvel Girl cleans up the mess and finishes it.

I have to agree with your assessment entirely. Cloak & Dagger's powers would have the upper hand, and Scott and Jean would be killed.

However, Scott and Jean have been killed before. Regularly, in fact. They would simply come back to life, Jean would be taken over by the Phoenix force, Scott would be taken over by Apocolypse, they'd both merge consciousness with their alternate-timeline counterparts, sneak up on C & L (off-guard because they thought the battle was over) and bludgeon them into unconsciousness with the White Queen's diamondized body (which she had traded to them for the body of another X-Man to be named later, or a 1st round draft pick), winning the match.

I'm surprised no one thought of this already....


-S

We don't all have a cool mind like your S

I'm going with Cloak & Dagger as well. Jean's powers are useless if her mind is affected by the darkness, and Cyclops can't do much when he can't see his target--unless he just fired off everywhere at once, but I don't see how that would accomplish much.

Phoenix Power vs Darkness?

I don't share your belief that the Phoenix power is all-powerful when wielded by (a sane)Jean Grey. If you will remember if was the Dark Phoenix (controlling her) power that committed the genocide of an entire planet. Also her mind previously to that action had been manipulated by Mastermind who was a far weaker illusionist/telepath than she was. Mastermind's tampering with the help of the White Queen drove her insane which lead to the emergence of the Dark Phoenix which essentially is not Marvel Girl. Marvel Girl with the Phoenix force committed suicide rather than submit to the Shi'ar fleet. The original story had her being defeated and stripped of the Phoenix entity by the Shi'ar anyway.
Heck if you want to get technical it wasn't even her it was just the Dark Phoenix that had enough power to destroy an entire sun, Jean wasn't even there. So maybe with the addition of Jean's influence on the Phoenix entity it isn't as powerful as it is on it's own. Hence the following statement:

Even with the Phoenix power she was still killed again by Magneto when he caused her to have a massive stroke in her brain using an electric charge.

So yes, I think that Marvel Girl could be defeated by the Darkness. The only way Jean Grey would win would be if she were not in control ie. being the Dark Phoenix (insane)which was not the situation presented.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

I'm not sure who ValhallaComics voted for... So I'm declaring a tie, so I'm going with Cyclops & Marvel Girl move to the finals...

Black Adam & Isis vs Firesorm & Power Girl

lol, sorry I wasn't clear in my answer. The X-People was my vote, so you got it right, anyway. =]

Next battle: Black Adam & Isis, so long as they stay in magic form, win it all. Black Adam, alone, could whip 'em pretty good. He also doesn't hold back, so he'd probably end up killing them without a moment's hesitation.

I agree. I think Black Adam and wife would have a huge advantage from a teamwork standpoint, and I don't think Powergirl or Firestorm have anything they could do that would overcome that.


-S

Black Adam and Isis would be the victors even though I don't know the power factor of Isis. I have to agree with Valhalla BA alone would be impossible to deal with because of the magic factor. Magic always seems to trump physics in comics so he alone should be able to take Firestorm and Powergirl down himself; throw the wife in and it will be a virtual sweep.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

you all took the words out of my mouth.

Leaving this one up to you guys.

Sorry for this being late, but Internet explorer wouldn't let me on here... Back Adam & Isis moves to the finals...


Mr Fantastic & Invisible Woman vs Hawkeye & Mockingbird

Back to sheer power and years of teamwork one would have to go with Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic. Being a superb athlete wouldn't really help Hawkeye or Mockingbird in a battle against them. I think Invisible Woman alone could defeat them both and with Mr. Fantastic in the mix it wouldn't be a contest.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

FF. Hands down.

AGREED.

Yeah, I'm going the same way, too. I don't think there's much Hawkeye or Mockingbird could do that Reed & Sue would have too much trouble with.


-S

Yep, Reed & Susan all the way.

Same here, Reed & Sue. This one would be easy.

Mr Fantastic & Invisible Woman move on...

Black Adam & Isis vs Mister Miracle & Big Barda

Mister Miracle & Big Barda !

Miracle and Barda would win because they have nifty costumes with lots of primary colors whereas their opponents look imminently forgetable, and I don't remember what their powers are. (Yes, it was very late when I wrote this.)


-S

Magic overcomes. Black Adam & Isis rock 'em out. Plus, Big Barda and Mister Miracle are stupid names!

Mister Miracle & Big Barda win...

Cyclops & Marvel Girl vs Mr Fantastic & Invsible Woman

Tough call...

I'd have to think that Mr. Fantastic would figure out a way to overcome both of these characters, though. All Sue would have to do is put a forcefield over Cyclops' face while he was about to shoot his optic blasts, and he'd be toast. Otherwise, she could just suffocate both of them.

Reed & Sue win it.

I think I'd have to agree. I don't really see either of their powers being able to stop or contain Reed. Cyclops would have to resort to a mindless "spray & pray" tactic just to score a hit on him. And while I think Jean is more powerful than Sue, I still think Sue could hold her own until Reed was done fighting Scott.

I've used up all my irrelevant satirical witicisms about the X-Men, so I'll just go ahead and cast my vote for Reed and Sue. It would be a close match, but the Fantastic Two would have the edge in experience, teamwork, and strategy.


-S

The FF!!

Now for the final match in the tournamet... DC vs MARVEL...

Mister Miracle & Big Barda vs Mr Fantastic & Invsible Woman

Going to have to go with....The DC team.

Oh, wow... This is a tough judgment. ;<

Unimaginable "Luck" + brute strength vs elasticity, brilliance, and invisible force fields =/

I'm going with FF on this one.

Big Barda - Super strength, immortal, super human endurance & stamina omega rod, trained to be part of the Female Furies elite guard with over 200 years combat experience.

Mister Miracle - keeper of the anti-life equaton with the willpower not to use it. A mastermind that can escape any trap, cage or prison, access to boom tube technology and has a motherbox. Can design device to hold anyone.

Mr. Fantastic - Genius inventor that can stretch to any shape or form.

Invisible Woman - Turns herself & others invisible (duh) can create force fields to hold , cover, protect and do massive amounts of damage.

I will give this one to Mister Miracle and Barda.

I feel that even if Invisible Woman encircled both Barda and MM in a forcefield;
1. MM could escape and Barda could hit it with such force not only from her strength but also from her omega rod to cause a severe mental backlash which would render her unable to defend herself.
2. Mr. Fantastic would then be easily captured and contained by MM and Barda.
3. Even if both Invisible Woman and Mr. F were invisible they could still be located, separated and trapped by use of the motherbox and boom tube.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941

Anyone with something called a boom tube would win.

Seriously, I was kinda on the fence with this one, but Jeff's argument was quite persuasive. Although Big Barda and Miracle Man could never sell as many comics as the FF, could never have a movie made about them, and could never be played by Jessica Alba, I believe they would win.


-S

I think this depends on which versions of the characters you're talking about. I've never read a comic explaining the powers of either MM or BB, but I've seen them in action in the cartoons and in some comics (to be fair, they explained MMs powers and some of BBs in the cartoon). I've gotta' say that what I've seen of them was not impressive... at all. Being New Gods doesn't necessarily make them God-like, and from what I've seen BB is far from invulnerable.

Reed has defeated Galactus... that puts him above any other force to be reckoned with, imo. Sue, when not taken by surprise, can hold her own against some powerful forces, as well.

What is the anti-life equaton, anyway? What kind of power/control does that give MM?

Anti- Life Equation

Basically in a nutshell it is the power to dominate all sentient lifeforms, causing the destruction or deconstruction of the life. Darkseid has been trying to find this equation for over 4 centuries and is the reason he came to conquer earth in the first place.

So, if MM did use the anti-life equation , that's all she wrote complete and utter victory against anyone.

Cheers,
Jeff
s1941